[LON-CAPA-users] Proctoring for Online

Lucas, Mark lucasm at ohio.edu
Tue Mar 17 13:15:22 EDT 2020 

David,

Thanks! I’ve been poking around. You video from a few years ago is very useful.

So this would require us enabling our blackboard courses and placing a link in
blackboard under the spot where we would normally place a blackboard exam?
I have to admit, I have steered clear of blackboard (very, very clear) so far, so I am
not very blackboard conversant.

Do the students need to sign up for the slot then in LON-CAPA before taking the
exam?

In blackboard you simply link to the regular LON-CAPA login I presume and the
student navigates to the exam?

How does proctortrack select/find out about the user and password for the slot?

I know you’re probably insanely busy, but is it okay to email back with other questions
if they come up?

Mark



> On Mar 17, 2020, at 1:05 PM, Huckleberry, David W <dhuckleb at purdue.edu> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> I use Proctortrack for our online PHYS 172 course. It does use a single slot, and that is given to Proctortrack via the Blackboard Exam.
> 
> Student logs into Blackboard
> Clicks on the Proctortrack link
> After verifying identity, they click the Exam link and that redirects to LON-CAPA
> They were told the proctorusername, but then paste the password from Proctortrack (never seeing it)
> Then they take exam in LC as usual.
> 
> Works very well. No human proctor, all video based, so no scheduling needed for students.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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>   1. Proctoring for Online (Lucas, Mark)
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> From: "Lucas, Mark" <lucasm at ohio.edu>
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> Does someone have a short description of the online proctoring process handy?
> 
> As Gerd mentioned, Examity has been used by MSU and knows how to do things, but I?m about ready to send information to OIT, and using a system besides ProctorTrack via Blackboard will probably be dissuaded.
> 
> What physically does the proctor do to interact with a student taking an exam?
> 
> Does this require the use of slots?
> 
> Mark
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> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 16:53:29 +0000
> From: "Raeburn, Stuart" <raeburn at msu.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users] Conditional Blocks
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> Gene,
> 
>> 
>> When I turn on lenient grading, it does not allow multiple attempts, 
>> even if tries < maxtries. Is that normal?
>> 
> 
> Yes. 
> Besides enabling lenient grading you need to set the: "Partially correct is answerable" (retrypartial) parameter to "yes" 
> 
> Stuart Raeburn
> LON-CAPA Academic Consortium
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: LON-CAPA-users <lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org> on behalf of Harding, Gene L <glhardin at purdue.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:39 AM
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> Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users] Conditional Blocks
> 
> Thanks Doug! The syntax you sent, combined with code I wrote for a different problem, allowed me to get something workable, although I still have two issues to sort out:
> 
> 1.       How do I get the score for a problem part? I assume it?s &stored_data(?partscore?,?partid?); where partscore is the name of a variable holding the score for partid, but I do not know the variable name.
> 
> 2.       When I turn on lenient grading, it does not allow multiple attempts, even if tries < maxtries. Is that normal?
> 
> By the way, is there documentation somewhere with a list of parameters, like maxtries, and data variables, like tries? I think I could figure my way through this without bugging the listserv if I had such a document?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gene L. Harding, PE
> Associate Professor of ECET
> Purdue University
> 574-520-4190
> https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/south-bend/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fpolytechnic.purdue.edu%2Fsouth-bend%2F__%3B!!HXCxUKc!ggjQy2wnvdetDlYjob_8OAx4Idi05kA9C8pA6TaSvfll46OrYocqZ9F61V5Qvw%24&data=02%7C01%7Clucasm%40ohio.edu%7C04e0937642f04d180e1508d7ca958013%7Cf3308007477c4a70888934611817c55a%7C0%7C0%7C637200615789156620&sdata=A4sUYdsn2nqShDyIVUWFI3gzkYltaSZbjwfq7YC3nKw%3D&reserved=0>
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> From: LON-CAPA-users <lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org> On Behalf Of Mills, Douglas G
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 11:39 PM
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> Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users] Conditional Blocks
> 
> Hi Gene,
> 
> The code I pulled from a quiz I coded and may perhaps give you the right idea:
> 
> <block condition="($current==2) || ($answer_available)">
> 
> In your case you will probably want to make the condition either than question 1 has been answered correctly or that all the tried have been used.   I can track specifics down for that if needed but perhaps the example is enough to get you on the right track?
> 
> Doug
> 
> -sent from mobile-
> 
> 
> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Harding, Gene L <glhardin at purdue.edu<mailto:glhardin at purdue.edu>> wrote:
> ?
> Hi,
> 
> I am working on a problem for an upcoming exam. In the past I have just done it via paper exam, which was fine until now. (I did plan to do it in LON-CAPA someday, but thanks to Corona, someday is now here.)
> 
> The problem starts with an optionresponse. After the student answers it, I want to show a radiobuttonresponse problem, then show a figure and a matrix equation containing 15 parts. In the past I have used the ?display-one-part-at-a-time? feature, but the catch is that the matrix equation has 15 parts in it, and I need to show the figure and all 15 parts of the matrix equation at the same time, right after the radio button problem.
> 
> I suspect I can do it with a <block></block> tag, but am having trouble finding examples of conditional expressions and variables that I can use inside the <block> code. Does anyone know of a good resource for that info, or know the parameters and syntax I need to use? I have explored the authoring guide and LON-CAPA online help, done web searches, and looked through YouTube, all to no avail?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gene L. Harding, PE
> Associate Professor of ECET
> Purdue University
> 574-520-4190
> https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/south-bend/<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fpolytechnic.purdue.edu%2Fsouth-bend%2F__%3B!!HXCxUKc!ggjQy2wnvdetDlYjob_8OAx4Idi05kA9C8pA6TaSvfll46OrYocqZ9F61V5Qvw%24&data=02%7C01%7Clucasm%40ohio.edu%7C04e0937642f04d180e1508d7ca958013%7Cf3308007477c4a70888934611817c55a%7C0%7C0%7C637200615789156620&sdata=A4sUYdsn2nqShDyIVUWFI3gzkYltaSZbjwfq7YC3nKw%3D&reserved=0>
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> Hi Doug, Stuart,
> 
> Thanks! That was the missing piece I needed. I thought I found what I needed in &check_status(?partid?) on page 29 of the Author Manual, but it does not work well when using both lenient grading and retrypartial. (I did eventually figure out that I needed to add retrypartial.) In that case check_status returns 1 even if the answer is only partially correct. Because of that, I was not able to craft a conditional expression to do what I needed.
> 
> The data value ?awarded?, however, is a floating point value between 0 and 1 indicating how much credit was awarded. It works even when using both lenient and retrypartial.
> 
> Thank you both for your help. All I need to do now is add a few more comments and it will be done.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gene L. Harding, PE
> Associate Professor of ECET
> Purdue University
> 574-520-4190
> https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/south-bend/
> 
> From: LON-CAPA-users <lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org> On Behalf Of Mills, Douglas G
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:32 PM
> To: Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org>
> Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users] Conditional Blocks
> 
> Hi Gene,
> 
> Check this out!
> 
> https://s10.lite.msu.edu/res/msu/albertel/test/ext_examples.problem#0
> 
> Doug
> 
> -sent from mobile-
> 
> 
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Harding, Gene L <glhardin at purdue.edu<mailto:glhardin at purdue.edu>> wrote:
> ?
> Thanks Doug! The syntax you sent, combined with code I wrote for a different problem, allowed me to get something workable, although I still have two issues to sort out:
> 
> 1.       How do I get the score for a problem part? I assume it?s &stored_data(?partscore?,?partid?); where partscore is the name of a variable holding the score for partid, but I do not know the variable name.
> 
> 2.       When I turn on lenient grading, it does not allow multiple attempts, even if tries < maxtries. Is that normal?
> 
> By the way, is there documentation somewhere with a list of parameters, like maxtries, and data variables, like tries? I think I could figure my way through this without bugging the listserv if I had such a document?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gene L. Harding, PE
> Associate Professor of ECET
> Purdue University
> 574-520-4190
> https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/south-bend/
> 
> From: LON-CAPA-users <lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org<mailto:lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org>> On Behalf Of Mills, Douglas G
> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 11:39 PM
> To: Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org<mailto:lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org>>
> Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users] Conditional Blocks
> 
> Hi Gene,
> 
> The code I pulled from a quiz I coded and may perhaps give you the right idea:
> 
> <block condition="($current==2) || ($answer_available)">
> 
> In your case you will probably want to make the condition either than question 1 has been answered correctly or that all the tried have been used.   I can track specifics down for that if needed but perhaps the example is enough to get you on the right track?
> 
> Doug
> 
> -sent from mobile-
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Harding, Gene L <glhardin at purdue.edu<mailto:glhardin at purdue.edu>> wrote:
> ?
> Hi,
> 
> I am working on a problem for an upcoming exam. In the past I have just done it via paper exam, which was fine until now. (I did plan to do it in LON-CAPA someday, but thanks to Corona, someday is now here.)
> 
> The problem starts with an optionresponse. After the student answers it, I want to show a radiobuttonresponse problem, then show a figure and a matrix equation containing 15 parts. In the past I have used the ?display-one-part-at-a-time? feature, but the catch is that the matrix equation has 15 parts in it, and I need to show the figure and all 15 parts of the matrix equation at the same time, right after the radio button problem.
> 
> I suspect I can do it with a <block></block> tag, but am having trouble finding examples of conditional expressions and variables that I can use inside the <block> code. Does anyone know of a good resource for that info, or know the parameters and syntax I need to use? I have explored the authoring guide and LON-CAPA online help, done web searches, and looked through YouTube, all to no avail?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gene L. Harding, PE
> Associate Professor of ECET
> Purdue University
> 574-520-4190
> https://polytechnic.purdue.edu/south-bend/
> 
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