[LON-CAPA-users] A course with no Content Close Date for a Sample Test?

[Amos Lee]

Thanks for the reply, Stuart.


 > If you use the Time-Limit parameter, then a specific due date is not
 > required.  Once the student has clicked the "Show Resource" button to
 > start the timer, thereafter LON-CAPA will internally calculate the
 > "due date" for that particular student to be the "Student Access Time"
 > (i.e., time when the student started the timer) + time interval (set
 > for the resource or folder).
 >
I see.


 > How many tries were you considering allowing students for each
 > question in the Sample Math Placement Test?
 >
"999" or some such large number (as in the real test).  In fact, we would 
like this new version of the Sample Test to behave just like the real test 
except for maybe just one difference:

* In the ACTUAL test, the answers and solutions are never released to 
student even after the test is over.
* In the SAMPLE test, we would like the answers/solutions to be accessible 
to the student after the test is over.

Indeed, we will still set the "show problem status" parameter to "no" in 
the Sample Test (as we do in the real test).  This means that we don't want 
students to know whether the questions have been answered right or wrong 
until AFTER the test is over (as determined by the "answer date" parameter).


 > What type of usernames will these be, i.e., usernames authenticated by
 > a central service (e.g., Kerberos, LDAP etc.), or e-mail addresses
 > which require completion of account creation via a token sent to the
 > e-mail address provided by the student?
 >
I am leaning more towards the latter so that practically anyone (including 
non-students such as teachers/counsellors) would be able to register into 
the course to have a concrete experience of what the sample test (and hence 
the real test) is about.  Indeed, I tested the auto-account creation 
feature of 2.10 in the summer of 2011, and it works great.

Amos Lee
Math & Stats
Univ of Sask




On 03/06/2012 7:54 AM, Stuart Raeburn wrote:
> Hi,
>
>>  I'm assuming implicitly that
>>
>>  (a) a test must have a Problem Due Date,
>>  (b) a test won't be graded until the Problem Due Date is passed, and
>>  (c) no student will be able to see the test results until after the
>>  Problem Due Date.
>
> If you use the Time-Limit parameter, then a specific due date is not
> required.  Once the student has clicked the "Show Resource" button to
> start the timer, thereafter LON-CAPA will internally calculate the
> "due date" for that particular student to be the "Student Access Time"
> (i.e., time when the student started the timer) + time interval (set
> for the resource or folder).
>
> The student will receive feedback on correctness immediately on
> submission, and the points earned for items in the folder containing
> the timed quiz will be displayed in the student's view of grades, as
> long as the problemstatus parammeter is set to "Yes" or "Yes, and show
> correct answer if they exceed the maximum number of tries."  However,
> the resource will cease to be viewable by the student once the time
> allowed has elapsed.  The resource will only become viewable again if
> an answer date is set.
>
> It is possible for the student to see the correct answers up until to
> the 70 min time limit for the quiz for an item the student answers
> correctly, and also for any item answered incorrectly, if the maximum
> number of tries has been used for the item, if problemstatus is set to
> "Yes, and show correct answer if they exceed the maximum number of
> tries."
>
> How many tries were you considering allowing students for each
> question in the Sample Math Placement Test?
>
>>  3. Students will then self-create Lon Capa accounts on our server, and
>>  self-register into the course.
>
> What type of usernames will these be, i.e., usernames authenticated by
> a central service (e.g., Kerberos, LDAP etc.), or e-mail addresses
> which require completion of account creation via a token sent to the
> e-mail address provided by the student?
>
> Stuart Raeburn
> MSU LON-CAPA group
>
>
> Quoting Amos Lee<lee at math.usask.ca>:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>>  We would like to create a course on Lon Capa to run a Sample Math Placement
>>  Test with the following desired features:
>>
>>  1.  The Time-Limit parameter of our sample test would be set to 70-minute.
>>
>>  2. The course will be opened indefinitely with no end date so that students
>>  could self-register into the course and take the sample test any time
>>  of the year. [Note: I suppose this implies leaving the Content Close
>>  Date empty.]
>>
>>  3. Students will then self-create Lon Capa accounts on our server, and
>>  self-register into the course.  [Note: We are using Lon Capa version
>>  2.10.0-2011060317, so that should not be a problem but so far I've only
>>  tried and tested the "self-creation of accounts" part.]
>>
>>  4. Immediately after the 70 minutes have timed out, the student would
>>  be able to see the grade immediately (via Main Menu | Grading and
>>  Statistics | View current problem status and grading information) and
>>  to see the correct answers and their wrong answers.
>>
>>
>>  Questions: Am I correct to think that this is *not* possible because
>>  one would not know how to set the Problem Due Date under such a
>>  scenario?
>>
>>  I'm assuming implicitly that
>>
>>  (a) a test must have a Problem Due Date,
>>  (b) a test won't be graded until the Problem Due Date is passed, and
>>  (c) no student will be able to see the test results until after the
>>  Problem Due Date.
>>
>>
>>     Should I just run this course a fixed number of times each year, and
>>  each time we run it, we'll have a given start date and a fixed problem
>>  due date?
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Amos
>>
>>  --
>>  Amos Lee
>>  Math&  Stats
>>  Univ of Sask
>
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