From itayf at nospammail.net  Tue Jun  5 09:35:41 2018
From: itayf at nospammail.net (Itay)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2018 16:35:41 +0300
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
Message-ID: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi
 


We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a Right-to-
left (RTL) language.We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent of
RTL support.To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we have
used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of
paragraphs.For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear on the
wrong side, see minimal example below. 


We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring content
in RTL languages.We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content and
interface (including menus, etc.).If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate any
information as regard to implementing such support.
Minimal examples follow below.
(Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not receive
any response.  So we try our luck here.)Thank you in advance.

Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of submission
  field. -->  <script type="loncapa/perl">
    $a=&random(1,10,1);  $b=&random(1,10,1);  $c=$a+$b;
  </script>
  <startouttext />
  <translated>
    <span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
  </translated>
  <endouttext />
  <numericalresponse answer="$c">
    <textline />
  </numericalresponse>
</problem>


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support :
       demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong alignment
       of margins. -->  <span dir="rtl">
    <startouttext />
    ??? ?? 1+1?
    <endouttext />
    <radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
    <foilgroup>
      <foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
        <startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
      <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
        <startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
      <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
        <startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
    </foilgroup>
    </radiobuttonresponse>
  </span>
</problem>


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL and
  LTR pieces. -->  <startouttext />
  <span dir="rtl">
    ???? ???????  <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the
    right). -->    <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
    ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the left). -->    <br />
    ???? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
    english text between hebrew text,
    ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
  </span>
  <endouttext />
</problem>


Done minimal examples.


 
 


 



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From pflammer at mines.edu  Wed Jun  6 08:44:58 2018
From: pflammer at mines.edu (Philip Flammer)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 12:44:58 +0000
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <5784F838-F72F-419C-8139-9FE8952CE433@mines.edu>

I wonder if there is a systematic way to inject some global CSS that could appropriately override such default behavior.

On Jun 5, 2018, at 7:36 AM, Itay <itayf at nospammail.net<mailto:itayf at nospammail.net>> wrote:

Hi



We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a Right-to-left (RTL) language.

We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent of RTL support.

To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we have used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.

However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of paragraphs.

For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear on the wrong side, see minimal example below.



We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring content in RTL languages.

We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content and interface (including menus, etc.).

If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate any information as regard to implementing such support.

Minimal examples follow below.
(Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not receive any response.  So we try our luck here.)
Thank you in advance.

Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of submission field. -->
  <script type="loncapa/perl">
    $a=&random(1,10,1);  $b=&random(1,10,1);  $c=$a+$b;
  </script>
  <startouttext />
  <translated>
    <span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
  </translated>
  <endouttext />
  <numericalresponse answer="$c">
    <textline />
  </numericalresponse>
</problem>


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support :
       demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong alignment of margins. -->
  <span dir="rtl">
    <startouttext />
    ??? ?? 1+1?
    <endouttext />
    <radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
    <foilgroup>
      <foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
        <startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
      <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
        <startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
      <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
        <startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
    </foilgroup>
    </radiobuttonresponse>
  </span>
</problem>


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL and LTR pieces. -->
  <startouttext />
  <span dir="rtl">
    ???? ???????  <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the right). -->
    <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
    ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the left). -->
    <br />
    ???? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
    english text between hebrew text,
    ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
  </span>
  <endouttext />
</problem>


Done minimal examples.








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From kortemey at msu.edu  Wed Jun  6 09:31:57 2018
From: kortemey at msu.edu (Kortemeyer, Gerd)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 13:31:57 +0000
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <EB7D577C-982B-4B08-A67C-E80D08875313@msu.edu>

Hi,

I am sorry to say that RTL-support in LON-CAPA is very limited. I had build a prototype of a new system,

https://github.com/gerdkortemeyer/loncapa

which has full RTL-support for all output, homework, editors, etc. Unfortunately, we do not have enough funding to develop that prototype into a real system or even to integrate aspects into the production system. If anybody wants to look what?s done in the prototype and integrate that into the production system, that would be great. And yes, funding would be nice ?

BTW: something that might help for at least option-response is the <drawoptionlist />-tag, which at least allows you to move around where the dropdown-menu appears.

- Gerd.

> On Jun 5, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Itay <itayf at nospammail.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi
>  
> We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a Right-to-left (RTL) language.
> We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent of RTL support.
> To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we have used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.
> However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of paragraphs.
> For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear on the wrong side, see minimal example below.
>  
> We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring content in RTL languages.
> We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content and interface (including menus, etc.).
> If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate any information as regard to implementing such support.
> 
> Minimal examples follow below.
> (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not receive any response.  So we try our luck here.)
> Thank you in advance.
> 
> Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
> Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel
> 
> 
> <problem>
>   <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of submission field. -->
>   <script type="loncapa/perl">
>     $a=&random(1,10,1);  $b=&random(1,10,1);  $c=$a+$b;
>   </script>
>   <startouttext />
>   <translated>
>     <span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
>   </translated>
>   <endouttext />
>   <numericalresponse answer="$c">
>     <textline />
>   </numericalresponse>
> </problem>
> 
> 
> <problem>
>   <!-- Test full RTL support :
>        demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong alignment of margins. -->
>   <span dir="rtl">
>     <startouttext />
>     ??? ?? 1+1?
>     <endouttext />
>     <radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
>     <foilgroup>
>       <foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
>         <startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
>       </foil>
>       <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
>         <startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
>       </foil>
>       <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
>         <startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
>       </foil>
>     </foilgroup>
>     </radiobuttonresponse>
>   </span>
> </problem>
> 
> 
> <problem>
>   <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL and LTR pieces. -->
>   <startouttext />
>   <span dir="rtl">
>     ???? ???????  <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the right). -->
>     <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
>     ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the left). -->
>     <br />
>     ???? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
>     english text between hebrew text,
>     ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
>   </span>
>   <endouttext />
> </problem>
> 
> 
> Done minimal examples.
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
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From dmills at illinois.edu  Wed Jun  6 11:28:29 2018
From: dmills at illinois.edu (Mills, Douglas G)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 15:28:29 +0000
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <F1D53BCB-F101-4646-9EF7-F8419BD0980E@illinois.edu>

Don't know how far this helps, but a quick test shows that wrapping the content of your problem in a div with an id of "problemwrapper" and adding the following style moves the text field to the left end of the prompt.  Text-entry in the text field is still left to right so there are still more issues to be addressed, but perhaps this gives a step forward?  I have not tried anything with your second example.

<style type="text/css">
#problemwrapper input[type="text"]{float:left;margin-right:20px;}
</style>




Doug

Douglas Mills
Director of Instructional Technology
Department of Chemistry
University of Illinois


From: LON-CAPA-users <lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org> on behalf of Itay <itayf at nospammail.net>
Reply-To: Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:35 AM
To: Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org>
Cc: Yair Naveh <yairv at jce.ac.il>
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?

Hi



We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a Right-to-left (RTL) language.

We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent of RTL support.

To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we have used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.

However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of paragraphs.

For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear on the wrong side, see minimal example below.



We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring content in RTL languages.

We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content and interface (including menus, etc.).

If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate any information as regard to implementing such support.

Minimal examples follow below.
(Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not receive any response.  So we try our luck here.)
Thank you in advance.

Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of submission field. -->
  <script type="loncapa/perl">
    $a=&random(1,10,1);  $b=&random(1,10,1);  $c=$a+$b;
  </script>
  <startouttext />
  <translated>
    <span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
  </translated>
  <endouttext />
  <numericalresponse answer="$c">
    <textline />
  </numericalresponse>
</problem>


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support :
       demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong alignment of margins. -->
  <span dir="rtl">
    <startouttext />
    ??? ?? 1+1?
    <endouttext />
    <radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
    <foilgroup>
      <foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
        <startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
      <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
        <startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
      <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
        <startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
      </foil>
    </foilgroup>
    </radiobuttonresponse>
  </span>
</problem>


<problem>
  <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL and LTR pieces. -->
  <startouttext />
  <span dir="rtl">
    ???? ???????  <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the right). -->
    <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
    ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the left). -->
    <br />
    ???? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
    english text between hebrew text,
    ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
  </span>
  <endouttext />
</problem>


Done minimal examples.








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From raeburn at msu.edu  Wed Jun  6 11:41:15 2018
From: raeburn at msu.edu (Stuart Raeburn)
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 11:41:15 -0400
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20180606114115.13786zqyz6augk9n@mail.msu.edu>

Hello Itay,

>
> (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not
receive
> any response.  So we try our luck here.)
>

You need to be subscribed to a particular LON-CAPA mailing list to  
post to it, otherwise your post will be automatically rejected by the  
listserv software.

If you would like to post to the lon-capa-dev list, please subscribe  
via the "Subscribing to LON-CAPA-dev" web form at:

mail.lon-capa.org/mailman/listinfo/lon-capa-dev

prior to posting.


Thank you

Stuart Raeburn
LON-CAPA Academic Consortium

Quoting Itay <itayf at nospammail.net>:

> Hi
>
>
>
> We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a
Right-to-
> left (RTL) language.We have authored several test problems in order  
> to see the extent of
> RTL support.To achieve correct directionality of the text within  
> sentences we have
> used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.However, this does not  
> provide good support for RTL alignment of
> paragraphs.For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons

> appear on the
> wrong side, see minimal example below.
>
>
> We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring
content
> in RTL languages.We wonder if full RTL support is available for  
> Lon-Capa content and
> interface (including menus, etc.).If such support is not available  
> built-in, we would appreciate any
> information as regard to implementing such support.
> Minimal examples follow below.
> (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not
receive
> any response.? So we try our luck here.)Thank you in advance.
>
> Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
> Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel
>
>
> <problem>
> ? ?<!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of
submission
> ? ?field. -->? <script type="loncapa/perl">
> ? ? ?$a=&random(1,10,1);? $b=&random(1,10,1);? $c=$a+$b;
> ? ?</script>
> ? ?<startouttext />
> ? ?<translated>
> ? ? ?<span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
> ? ?</translated>
> ? ?<endouttext />
> ? ?<numericalresponse answer="$c">
> ? ? ?<textline />
> ? ?</numericalresponse>
> </problem>
>
>
> <problem>
> ? ?<!-- Test full RTL support :
> ? ? ? ? demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong
alignment
> ? ? ? ? of margins. -->? <span dir="rtl">
> ? ? ?<startouttext />
> ? ? ???? ?? 1+1?
> ? ? ?<endouttext />
> ? ? ?<radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
> ? ? ?<foilgroup>
> ? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
> ? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> ? ? ? ?</foil>
> ? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
> ? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> ? ? ? ?</foil>
> ? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
> ? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> ? ? ? ?</foil>
> ? ? ?</foilgroup>
> ? ? ?</radiobuttonresponse>
> ? ?</span>
> </problem>
>
>
> <problem>
> ? ?<!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL
and
> ? ?LTR pieces. -->? <startouttext />
> ? ?<span dir="rtl">
> ? ? ????? ???????? <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the
> ? ? ?right). -->? ? <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
> ? ? ????? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the left).

> -->? ? <br />
> ? ? ????? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
> ? ? ?english text between hebrew text,
> ? ? ????? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
> ? ?</span>
> ? ?<endouttext />
> </problem>
>
>
> Done minimal examples.


From itayf at nospammail.net  Thu Jun  7 15:55:58 2018
From: itayf at nospammail.net (Itay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 22:55:58 +0300
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <F1D53BCB-F101-4646-9EF7-F8419BD0980E@illinois.edu>
References: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <F1D53BCB-F101-4646-9EF7-F8419BD0980E@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <1528401358.3454692.1400190408.0F4F8D53@webmail.messagingengine.com>


On Wed, 6 Jun 2018, at 18:28, Mills, Douglas G wrote:
> Don't know how far this helps, but a quick test shows that wrapping
> the content of your problem in a div with an id of "problemwrapper"
> and adding the following style moves the text field to the left end of
> the prompt.  Text-entry in the text field is still left to right so
> there are still more issues to be addressed, but perhaps this gives a
> step forward?  I have not tried anything with your second example.>  


> <style type="text/css">


> #problemwrapper input[type="text"]{float:left;margin-right:20px;}


> </style>



Yes!  Indeed a step forward.  Thank you.

At the moment I am not worried about text-entry.  All responses will be
formulas or numerical.  Units will be SI symbols.
A follow-up question: normally this mechanism should be robust to system
upgrades; right?
Itay

>  


> Doug


>  


> Douglas Mills


> Director of Instructional Technology


> Department of Chemistry


> University of Illinois


>  


>  


> *From: *LON-CAPA-users <lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org> on
> behalf of Itay <itayf at nospammail.net> *Reply-To: *Discussion list for
> LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org> *Date: *Tuesday,
> June 5, 2018 at 8:35 AM *To: *Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-
> capa.org> *Cc: *Yair Naveh <yairv at jce.ac.il> *Subject: *[LON-CAPA-
> users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?>  


> Hi


>  


> We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a Right-to-
> left (RTL) language.> We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent of
> RTL support.> To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we have
> used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.> However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of
> paragraphs.> For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear on
> the wrong side, see minimal example below.>  


> We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring content
> in RTL languages.> We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content and
> interface (including menus, etc.).> If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate any
> information as regard to implementing such support.>  


> Minimal examples follow below.


> (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not
> receive any response.  So we try our luck here.)> Thank you in advance.


>  


> Itay Furman & Yair Naveh


> Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel


>  


>  


> <problem>


>   <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of
>   submission field. -->>   <script type="loncapa/perl">


>     $a=&random(1,10,1);  $b=&random(1,10,1);  $c=$a+$b;


>   </script>


>   <startouttext />


>   <translated>


>     <span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>


>   </translated>


>   <endouttext />


>   <numericalresponse answer="$c">


>     <textline />


>   </numericalresponse>


> </problem>


>  


>  


> <problem>


>   <!-- Test full RTL support :


>        demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong
>        alignment of margins. -->>   <span dir="rtl">


>     <startouttext />


>     ??? ?? 1+1?


>     <endouttext />


>     <radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">


>     <foilgroup>


>       <foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">


>         <startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />


>       </foil>


>       <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">


>         <startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />


>       </foil>


>       <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">


>         <startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />


>       </foil>


>     </foilgroup>


>     </radiobuttonresponse>


>   </span>


> </problem>


>  


>  


> <problem>


>   <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL and
>   LTR pieces. -->>   <startouttext />


>   <span dir="rtl">


>     ???? ???????  <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the
>     right). -->>     <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>


>     ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the
>     left). -->>     <br />


>     ???? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->


>     english text between hebrew text,


>     ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->


>   </span>


>   <endouttext />


> </problem>


>  


>  


> Done minimal examples.


>  


>  


>  


>  


>  


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From itayf at nospammail.net  Thu Jun  7 15:56:52 2018
From: itayf at nospammail.net (Itay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 22:56:52 +0300
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
Message-ID: <1528401412.3454820.1400195712.19673BF3@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018, at 16:31, Kortemeyer, Gerd wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am sorry to say that RTL-support in LON-CAPA is very limited. I had 
> build a prototype of a new system,
> 
> https://github.com/gerdkortemeyer/loncapa
> 
> which has full RTL-support for all output, homework, editors, etc. 
> Unfortunately, we do not have enough funding to develop that prototype 
> into a real system or even to integrate aspects into the production 
> system. If anybody wants to look what?s done in the prototype and 
> integrate that into the production system, that would be great. And yes, 
> funding would be nice ?
> 

I am sorry, but at this point there is no funding.  But there might be other options, too.
This discussion, I guess, fits better the developers' list, or to private communication -- let me know which is preferred.

> BTW: something that might help for at least option-response is the 
> <drawoptionlist />-tag, which at least allows you to move around where 
> the dropdown-menu appears.

Thank you.
Itay

> 
> - Gerd.
> 
> > On Jun 5, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Itay <itayf at nospammail.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi
> >  
> > We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a Right-to-left (RTL) language.
> > We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent of RTL support.
> > To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we have used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.
> > However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of paragraphs.
> > For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear on the wrong side, see minimal example below.
> >  
> > We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring content in RTL languages.
> > We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content and interface (including menus, etc.).
> > If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate any information as regard to implementing such support.
> > 
> > Minimal examples follow below.
> > (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not receive any response.  So we try our luck here.)
> > Thank you in advance.
> > 
> > Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
> > Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel
> > 
> > 
> > <problem>
> >   <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of submission field. -->
> >   <script type="loncapa/perl">
> >     $a=&random(1,10,1);  $b=&random(1,10,1);  $c=$a+$b;
> >   </script>
> >   <startouttext />
> >   <translated>
> >     <span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
> >   </translated>
> >   <endouttext />
> >   <numericalresponse answer="$c">
> >     <textline />
> >   </numericalresponse>
> > </problem>
> > 
> > 
> > <problem>
> >   <!-- Test full RTL support :
> >        demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong alignment of margins. -->
> >   <span dir="rtl">
> >     <startouttext />
> >     ??? ?? 1+1?
> >     <endouttext />
> >     <radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
> >     <foilgroup>
> >       <foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
> >         <startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> >       </foil>
> >       <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
> >         <startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> >       </foil>
> >       <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
> >         <startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> >       </foil>
> >     </foilgroup>
> >     </radiobuttonresponse>
> >   </span>
> > </problem>
> > 
> > 
> > <problem>
> >   <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL and LTR pieces. -->
> >   <startouttext />
> >   <span dir="rtl">
> >     ???? ???????  <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the right). -->
> >     <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
> >     ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the left). -->
> >     <br />
> >     ???? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
> >     english text between hebrew text,
> >     ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
> >   </span>
> >   <endouttext />
> > </problem>
> > 
> > 
> > Done minimal examples.
> > 
> > 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > LON-CAPA-users mailing list
> > LON-CAPA-users at mail.lon-capa.org
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mail.lon-2Dcapa.org_mailman_listinfo_lon-2Dcapa-2Dusers&d=DwICAg&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=eJriEjbucRYp5T72QIzOAQ&m=NIk5NZr_V6zkP9TZlUby_iQ6QEwkvTADfHwtbRLX1q0&s=nUH7rFceJFBEsGx_QtWq_rjF3mG2tPqNJ7ZrOJ_IYFU&e=
> 
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From itayf at nospammail.net  Thu Jun  7 15:59:17 2018
From: itayf at nospammail.net (Itay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 22:59:17 +0300
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <20180606114115.13786zqyz6augk9n@mail.msu.edu>
References: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <20180606114115.13786zqyz6augk9n@mail.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <1528401557.3455580.1400196680.472E56BB@webmail.messagingengine.com>

On Wed, 6 Jun 2018, at 18:41, Stuart Raeburn wrote:
> Hello Itay,
> 
> >
> > (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not
> receive
> > any response.  So we try our luck here.)
> >
> 
> You need to be subscribed to a particular LON-CAPA mailing list to  
> post to it, otherwise your post will be automatically rejected by the  
> listserv software.

For some reason, by reading the front page of the list, I got the impression that this is not required. My wrong.

Thanks.

> If you would like to post to the lon-capa-dev list, please subscribe  
> via the "Subscribing to LON-CAPA-dev" web form at:
> 
> mail.lon-capa.org/mailman/listinfo/lon-capa-dev
> 
> prior to posting.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Stuart Raeburn
> LON-CAPA Academic Consortium
> 
> Quoting Itay <itayf at nospammail.net>:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> >
> >
> > We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a
> Right-to-
> > left (RTL) language.We have authored several test problems in order  
> > to see the extent of
> > RTL support.To achieve correct directionality of the text within  
> > sentences we have
> > used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.However, this does not  
> > provide good support for RTL alignment of
> > paragraphs.For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons
> 
> > appear on the
> > wrong side, see minimal example below.
> >
> >
> > We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring
> content
> > in RTL languages.We wonder if full RTL support is available for  
> > Lon-Capa content and
> > interface (including menus, etc.).If such support is not available  
> > built-in, we would appreciate any
> > information as regard to implementing such support.
> > Minimal examples follow below.
> > (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not
> receive
> > any response.? So we try our luck here.)Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
> > Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel
> >
> >
> > <problem>
> > ? ?<!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of
> submission
> > ? ?field. -->? <script type="loncapa/perl">
> > ? ? ?$a=&random(1,10,1);? $b=&random(1,10,1);? $c=$a+$b;
> > ? ?</script>
> > ? ?<startouttext />
> > ? ?<translated>
> > ? ? ?<span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
> > ? ?</translated>
> > ? ?<endouttext />
> > ? ?<numericalresponse answer="$c">
> > ? ? ?<textline />
> > ? ?</numericalresponse>
> > </problem>
> >
> >
> > <problem>
> > ? ?<!-- Test full RTL support :
> > ? ? ? ? demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong
> alignment
> > ? ? ? ? of margins. -->? <span dir="rtl">
> > ? ? ?<startouttext />
> > ? ? ???? ?? 1+1?
> > ? ? ?<endouttext />
> > ? ? ?<radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
> > ? ? ?<foilgroup>
> > ? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
> > ? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> > ? ? ? ?</foil>
> > ? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
> > ? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> > ? ? ? ?</foil>
> > ? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
> > ? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> > ? ? ? ?</foil>
> > ? ? ?</foilgroup>
> > ? ? ?</radiobuttonresponse>
> > ? ?</span>
> > </problem>
> >
> >
> > <problem>
> > ? ?<!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL
> and
> > ? ?LTR pieces. -->? <startouttext />
> > ? ?<span dir="rtl">
> > ? ? ????? ???????? <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the
> > ? ? ?right). -->? ? <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
> > ? ? ????? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the left).
> 
> > -->? ? <br />
> > ? ? ????? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
> > ? ? ?english text between hebrew text,
> > ? ? ????? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
> > ? ?</span>
> > ? ?<endouttext />
> > </problem>
> >
> >
> > Done minimal examples.
> 
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From dmills at illinois.edu  Thu Jun  7 16:24:50 2018
From: dmills at illinois.edu (Mills, Douglas G)
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2018 20:24:50 +0000
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <1528401358.3454692.1400190408.0F4F8D53@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1528205741.2655929.1397093248.778FE09A@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <F1D53BCB-F101-4646-9EF7-F8419BD0980E@illinois.edu>
 <1528401358.3454692.1400190408.0F4F8D53@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <12301F0D-FA7C-4941-B41D-5275D97CE04F@illinois.edu>

HI Itay,

It should survive system upgrades -- I have not yet had any problems with my css modifications to Lon-Capa so far, and this one does not rely on any specific information like id of the text entry field -- just the fact that it's an html text input, so unless that changes I would expect it to continue working.  It is ultimately though a bit of a hack, so I imagine it's *possible* at some point it may not work, but I think it should be pretty stable.  I don't know if Stuart or Gerd have other perspectives on this?


Doug

Douglas Mills
Director of Instructional Technology
Department of Chemistry
University of Illinois


From: LON-CAPA-users <lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org> on behalf of Itay <itayf at nospammail.net>
Reply-To: Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org>
Date: Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 2:55 PM
To: Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org>
Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?


On Wed, 6 Jun 2018, at 18:28, Mills, Douglas G wrote:

Don't know how far this helps, but a quick test shows that wrapping the content of your problem in a div with an id of "problemwrapper" and adding the following style moves the text field to the left end of the prompt.  Text-entry in the text field is still left to right so there are still more issues to be addressed, but perhaps this gives a step forward?  I have not tried anything with your second example.



<style type="text/css">

#problemwrapper input[type="text"]{float:left;margin-right:20px;}

</style>

Yes!  Indeed a step forward.  Thank you.

At the moment I am not worried about text-entry.  All responses will be formulas or numerical.  Units will be SI symbols.

A follow-up question: normally this mechanism should be robust to system upgrades; right?

Itay




Doug



Douglas Mills

Director of Instructional Technology

Department of Chemistry

University of Illinois





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Reply-To: Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:35 AM
To: Discussion list for LON-CAPA users <lon-capa-users at mail.lon-capa.org>
Cc: Yair Naveh <yairv at jce.ac.il>
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?



Hi



We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a Right-to-left (RTL) language.

We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent of RTL support.

To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we have used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.

However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of paragraphs.

For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear on the wrong side, see minimal example below.



We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring content in RTL languages.

We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content and interface (including menus, etc.).

If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate any information as regard to implementing such support.



Minimal examples follow below.

(Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not receive any response.  So we try our luck here.)

Thank you in advance.



Itay Furman & Yair Naveh

Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel





<problem>

  <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of submission field. -->

  <script type="loncapa/perl">

    $a=&random(1,10,1);  $b=&random(1,10,1);  $c=$a+$b;

  </script>

  <startouttext />

  <translated>

    <span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>

  </translated>

  <endouttext />

  <numericalresponse answer="$c">

    <textline />

  </numericalresponse>

</problem>





<problem>

  <!-- Test full RTL support :

       demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong alignment of margins. -->

  <span dir="rtl">

    <startouttext />

    ??? ?? 1+1?

    <endouttext />

    <radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">

    <foilgroup>

      <foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">

        <startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />

      </foil>

      <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">

        <startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />

      </foil>

      <foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">

        <startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />

      </foil>

    </foilgroup>

    </radiobuttonresponse>

  </span>

</problem>





<problem>

  <!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of RTL and LTR pieces. -->

  <startouttext />

  <span dir="rtl">

    ???? ???????  <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the right). -->

    <m>\(c = a + b \)</m>

    ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the left). -->

    <br />

    ???? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->

    english text between hebrew text,

    ???? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->

  </span>

  <endouttext />

</problem>





Done minimal examples.












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From raeburn at msu.edu  Thu Jun  7 16:33:57 2018
From: raeburn at msu.edu (Stuart Raeburn)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 16:33:57 -0400
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <1528401412.3454820.1400195712.19673BF3@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <1528401412.3454820.1400195712.19673BF3@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <20180607163357.54464igfdi62b7w5@mail.msu.edu>

Hello Itay,

>
> This discussion, I guess, fits better the developers' list, or to  
> private communication -- let me know which is preferred.
>

I have filed bug 6884 for implementation of full RTL support in the  
current LON-CAPA. See: bugs.loncapa.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6884

If you would like to post comments on that bug/enhancement request  
please send an e-mail to helpdesk at loncapa.org to request creation of  
an account in bugs.loncapa.org (the e-mail address from which you send  
your e-mail will be used as your username in LON-CAPA's bugzilla  
instance).

Thank you,

Stuart

Stuart Raeburn
Technical Director
LON-CAPA Academic Consortium

Quoting Itay <itayf at nospammail.net>:

> On Wed, 6 Jun 2018, at 16:31, Kortemeyer, Gerd wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am sorry to say that RTL-support in LON-CAPA is very limited. I
had
>> build a prototype of a new system,
>>
>>
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_gerdkortemeyer_loncapa&d=DwIGaQ&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=VsGo3jOm8tGLd6f-KlhT-g&m=q2fTtq-o_Pnoirx_kfzQGk7Pc94spwnIz7g6qIP8EN4&s=Bd0-3OX-ilgzse8VZbC2Vb51UQUjbCVLVtdJ_OW83bs&e=
>>
>> which has full RTL-support for all output, homework, editors, etc.
>> Unfortunately, we do not have enough funding to develop that
prototype
>> into a real system or even to integrate aspects into the production
>> system. If anybody wants to look what?s done in the prototype and
>> integrate that into the production system, that would be great. And
yes,
>> funding would be nice ?
>>
>
> I am sorry, but at this point there is no funding.? But there might  
> be other options, too.
> This discussion, I guess, fits better the developers' list, or to  
> private communication -- let me know which is preferred.
>
>> BTW: something that might help for at least option-response is the
>> <drawoptionlist />-tag, which at least allows you to move around
where
>> the dropdown-menu appears.
>
> Thank you.
> Itay
>
>>
>> - Gerd.
>>
>> > On Jun 5, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Itay <itayf at nospammail.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a  
>> Right-to-left (RTL) language.
>> > We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent

>> of RTL support.
>> > To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we

>> have used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.
>> > However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of  
>> paragraphs.
>> > For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear  
>> on the wrong side, see minimal example below.
>> >
>> > We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring  
>> content in RTL languages.
>> > We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content  
>> and interface (including menus, etc.).
>> > If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate
any
>> information as regard to implementing such support.
>> >
>> > Minimal examples follow below.
>> > (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not  
>> receive any response.? So we try our luck here.)
>> > Thank you in advance.
>> >
>> > Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
>> > Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel
>> >
>> >
>> > <problem>
>> >? ?<!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of  
>> submission field. -->
>> >? ?<script type="loncapa/perl">
>> >? ? ?$a=&random(1,10,1);? $b=&random(1,10,1);? $c=$a+$b;
>> >? ?</script>
>> >? ?<startouttext />
>> >? ?<translated>
>> >? ? ?<span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
>> >? ?</translated>
>> >? ?<endouttext />
>> >? ?<numericalresponse answer="$c">
>> >? ? ?<textline />
>> >? ?</numericalresponse>
>> > </problem>
>> >
>> >
>> > <problem>
>> >? ?<!-- Test full RTL support :
>> >? ? ? ? demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong  
>> alignment of margins. -->
>> >? ?<span dir="rtl">
>> >? ? ?<startouttext />
>> >? ? ???? ?? 1+1?
>> >? ? ?<endouttext />
>> >? ? ?<radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
>> >? ? ?<foilgroup>
>> >? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
>> >? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
>> >? ? ? ?</foil>
>> >? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
>> >? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
>> >? ? ? ?</foil>
>> >? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
>> >? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
>> >? ? ? ?</foil>
>> >? ? ?</foilgroup>
>> >? ? ?</radiobuttonresponse>
>> >? ?</span>
>> > </problem>
>> >
>> >
>> > <problem>
>> >? ?<!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of
RTL
>> and LTR pieces. -->
>> >? ?<startouttext />
>> >? ?<span dir="rtl">
>> >? ? ????? ???????? <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the
right). -->
>> >? ? ?<m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
>> >? ? ????? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the
left). -->
>> >? ? ?<br />
>> >? ? ????? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
>> >? ? ?english text between hebrew text,
>> >? ? ????? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
>> >? ?</span>
>> >? ?<endouttext />
>> > </problem>
>> >
>> >
>> > Done minimal examples.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > LON-CAPA-users mailing list
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From itayf at nospammail.net  Thu Jun  7 16:39:20 2018
From: itayf at nospammail.net (Itay)
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2018 23:39:20 +0300
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] Full support for Right-To-Left languages?
In-Reply-To: <20180607163357.54464igfdi62b7w5@mail.msu.edu>
References: <1528401412.3454820.1400195712.19673BF3@webmail.messagingengine.com>
 <20180607163357.54464igfdi62b7w5@mail.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <1528403960.3465518.1400239432.5D82B2EB@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Thanks.

On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, at 23:33, Stuart Raeburn wrote:
> Hello Itay,
> 
> >
> > This discussion, I guess, fits better the developers' list, or to  
> > private communication -- let me know which is preferred.
> >
> 
> I have filed bug 6884 for implementation of full RTL support in the  
> current LON-CAPA. See: bugs.loncapa.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6884
> 
> If you would like to post comments on that bug/enhancement request  
> please send an e-mail to helpdesk at loncapa.org to request creation of  
> an account in bugs.loncapa.org (the e-mail address from which you send  
> your e-mail will be used as your username in LON-CAPA's bugzilla  
> instance).
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Stuart
> 
> Stuart Raeburn
> Technical Director
> LON-CAPA Academic Consortium
> 
> Quoting Itay <itayf at nospammail.net>:
> 
> > On Wed, 6 Jun 2018, at 16:31, Kortemeyer, Gerd wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am sorry to say that RTL-support in LON-CAPA is very limited. I
> had
> >> build a prototype of a new system,
> >>
> >>
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_gerdkortemeyer_loncapa&d=DwIGaQ&c=nE__W8dFE-shTxStwXtp0A&r=VsGo3jOm8tGLd6f-KlhT-g&m=q2fTtq-o_Pnoirx_kfzQGk7Pc94spwnIz7g6qIP8EN4&s=Bd0-3OX-ilgzse8VZbC2Vb51UQUjbCVLVtdJ_OW83bs&e=
> >>
> >> which has full RTL-support for all output, homework, editors, etc.
> >> Unfortunately, we do not have enough funding to develop that
> prototype
> >> into a real system or even to integrate aspects into the production
> >> system. If anybody wants to look what?s done in the prototype and
> >> integrate that into the production system, that would be great. And
> yes,
> >> funding would be nice ?
> >>
> >
> > I am sorry, but at this point there is no funding.? But there might  
> > be other options, too.
> > This discussion, I guess, fits better the developers' list, or to  
> > private communication -- let me know which is preferred.
> >
> >> BTW: something that might help for at least option-response is the
> >> <drawoptionlist />-tag, which at least allows you to move around
> where
> >> the dropdown-menu appears.
> >
> > Thank you.
> > Itay
> >
> >>
> >> - Gerd.
> >>
> >> > On Jun 5, 2018, at 9:35 AM, Itay <itayf at nospammail.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi
> >> >
> >> > We are interested in developing content in Hebrew which is a  
> >> Right-to-left (RTL) language.
> >> > We have authored several test problems in order to see the extent
> 
> >> of RTL support.
> >> > To achieve correct directionality of the text within sentences we
> 
> >> have used the <span> tags with the RTL attribute.
> >> > However, this does not provide good support for RTL alignment of  
> >> paragraphs.
> >> > For example, in a radiobutton response, the radio buttons appear  
> >> on the wrong side, see minimal example below.
> >> >
> >> > We haven?t found in the manuals any instructions for authoring  
> >> content in RTL languages.
> >> > We wonder if full RTL support is available for Lon-Capa content  
> >> and interface (including menus, etc.).
> >> > If such support is not available built-in, we would appreciate
> any
> >> information as regard to implementing such support.
> >> >
> >> > Minimal examples follow below.
> >> > (Note: this message was sent to the developers' list but did not  
> >> receive any response.? So we try our luck here.)
> >> > Thank you in advance.
> >> >
> >> > Itay Furman & Yair Naveh
> >> > Jerusalem College of Engineering, Israel
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <problem>
> >> >? ?<!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrate wrong placement of  
> >> submission field. -->
> >> >? ?<script type="loncapa/perl">
> >> >? ? ?$a=&random(1,10,1);? $b=&random(1,10,1);? $c=$a+$b;
> >> >? ?</script>
> >> >? ?<startouttext />
> >> >? ?<translated>
> >> >? ? ?<span dir="rtl">????: ??? ?? $a + $b?</span>
> >> >? ?</translated>
> >> >? ?<endouttext />
> >> >? ?<numericalresponse answer="$c">
> >> >? ? ?<textline />
> >> >? ?</numericalresponse>
> >> > </problem>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <problem>
> >> >? ?<!-- Test full RTL support :
> >> >? ? ? ? demonstrate wrong placement of radiobuttions, and wrong  
> >> alignment of margins. -->
> >> >? ?<span dir="rtl">
> >> >? ? ?<startouttext />
> >> >? ? ???? ?? 1+1?
> >> >? ? ?<endouttext />
> >> >? ? ?<radiobuttonresponse max="10" randomize="yes">
> >> >? ? ?<foilgroup>
> >> >? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="true" name="foil1">
> >> >? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />2 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> >> >? ? ? ?</foil>
> >> >? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="false" name="foil2">
> >> >? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />4 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> >> >? ? ? ?</foil>
> >> >? ? ? ?<foil location="random" value="false" name="foil3">
> >> >? ? ? ? ?<startouttext />5.5 (???? ????? ?????).<endouttext />
> >> >? ? ? ?</foil>
> >> >? ? ?</foilgroup>
> >> >? ? ?</radiobuttonresponse>
> >> >? ?</span>
> >> > </problem>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > <problem>
> >> >? ?<!-- Test full RTL support : demonstrates correct mixture of
> RTL
> >> and LTR pieces. -->
> >> >? ?<startouttext />
> >> >? ?<span dir="rtl">
> >> >? ? ????? ???????? <!-- This text precedes the equation (on the
> right). -->
> >> >? ? ?<m>\(c = a + b \)</m>
> >> >? ? ????? ???????. <!-- This text follows the equation (on the
> left). -->
> >> >? ? ?<br />
> >> >? ? ????? ???????, <!-- This text precedes the english text. -->
> >> >? ? ?english text between hebrew text,
> >> >? ? ????? ???????. <!-- This text follows the english text. -->
> >> >? ?</span>
> >> >? ?<endouttext />
> >> > </problem>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Done minimal examples.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > LON-CAPA-users mailing list
> >> > LON-CAPA-users at mail.lon-capa.org
> 
> 
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From dmills at illinois.edu  Mon Jun 18 13:34:00 2018
From: dmills at illinois.edu (Mills, Douglas G)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2018 17:34:00 +0000
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] list of students and completion times?
Message-ID: <A2BAE915-4384-42EE-857B-1E237FF9D860@illinois.edu>

Hi All,

Is there any way to generate a list of students and when they completed a given problem or problem part?  I have an instructor who'd like to keep an eye on students who are completing their quizzes down to the deadline and encourage earlier engagement. I know of course it's possible to look at every individual's submissions but is there a way to get that information compiled?  I'm not seeing it.  Thanks!

Doug

Douglas Mills
Director of Instructional Technology
Department of Chemistry
University of Illinois

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From dmills at illinois.edu  Tue Jun 19 15:30:27 2018
From: dmills at illinois.edu (Mills, Douglas G)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:30:27 +0000
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] teacher-assigned vs. student-selected slots: can
 they be mutually exclusive
Message-ID: <A51A0FCD-7AF1-4021-A201-6AE4EF29E5F8@illinois.edu>

HI All,

I understand the rationale for being able to limit students to selecting only one student-selectable slot within a given timeframe as well as the fact that that is not needed in the case of teacher-assigned slots. However, we have a use case where most of the students are using student-selected slots (and can only choose one of a couple of options) but SOME students -- ones taking conflict exams or who require special accommodations are being assigned into teacher-assigned slots for the same exam.  There does not seem to be any way to prevent a student in a teacher-assigned slot from also selecting a student-selected slot. Am I missing something?  I guess in the case of a timed exam, IF a student who requires special accommodations  or a conflict exam signed up for a regular slot and we didn't catch it and then somehow got a sneak preview before their special slot time, they would have run down their available time to do the exam anyway. Still, it would be nice to be able to prevent such things from occurring as honest or confused mistakes.  Is that possible?  OR would you recommend handling this a different way?  Thanks!


Doug

Douglas Mills
Director of Instructional Technology
Department of Chemistry
University of Illinois

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From raeburn at msu.edu  Wed Jun 20 15:04:08 2018
From: raeburn at msu.edu (Stuart Raeburn)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 15:04:08 -0400
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] teacher-assigned vs. student-selected slots:
 can they be mutually exclusive
In-Reply-To: <A51A0FCD-7AF1-4021-A201-6AE4EF29E5F8@illinois.edu>
References: <A51A0FCD-7AF1-4021-A201-6AE4EF29E5F8@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <20180620150408.17142dfk93cpcj6w@mail.msu.edu>

Doug,

>
> ... There does not seem to be
> any way to prevent a student in a teacher-assigned slot from also  
> selecting a student-selected slot. Am I missing something?
>

For each of the student-schedulable slots, set the start and end dates  
in the "Period of time when this slot can only be uniquely chosen"  
settings to bracket both the time period when the instructor-assigned  
slot is open, and also the time the student-schedulable slot is open.

In that case a student will thereafter not be able to make a  
reservation for the student-schedulable slot for that resource (as the  
instructor-assigned one will already be in place). If a student tries  
to make a reservation a message: "Already have a reservation" will be  
displayed.

Note:
If a student has already made a reservation for the  
student-schedulable slot before the instructor-assigned slot is  
assigned to the resource, the instructor must remove the reservation  
for Settings > Slots for the particular slot (click "Edit" for  
particular slot, and use "Remove" in the "Scheduled Students" column).  
Setting the "Slots of availability [Part: 0] (available)" does not  
currently automatically remove any prior student-selected slots for  
the same resource.

If you prefer not to set "Period of time when this slot can only be  
uniquely chosen" for the student-schedulable slot you could also use  
the "Restrict slot availability" settings for the slot to restrict use  
to particular users.

Currently, you can only indicate which users should be included, so  
you must check checkboxes for all students who are permitted to use a  
particular slot (there is no allow all except ...).

As an alternative, you could create a group of users, and then not  
assign membership for the users who should not be able to reserve.  In  
the "Restrict slot availability" settings for the slot, the list  
checkboxes below "Select sections to limit slot availability to"  
includes both sections and groups. You would check the checkbox for  
the group you created.

Note: when you change group memberships for a user, if the user is  
currently logged in, he/she must click "Check for changes" on the  
Courses/Roles screen for the group change to be in effect in the  
user's session.


Stuart Raeburn
LON-CAPA Academic Consortium

Quoting "Mills, Douglas G" <dmills at illinois.edu>:

> HI All,
>
> I understand the rationale for being able to limit students to  
> selecting only one student-selectable slot within a given timeframe  
> as well as the fact that that is not needed in the case of  
> teacher-assigned slots. However, we have a use case where most of
the
> students are using student-selected slots (and can only choose one
of
> a couple of options) but SOME students -- ones taking conflict exams

> or who require special accommodations are being assigned into  
> teacher-assigned slots for the same exam.? There does not seem to be

> any way to prevent a student in a teacher-assigned slot from also  
> selecting a student-selected slot. Am I missing something?? I guess  
> in the case of a timed exam, IF a student who requires special  
> accommodations? or a conflict exam signed up for a regular slot and  
> we didn't catch it and then somehow got a sneak preview before their

> special slot time, they would have run down their available time to  
> do the exam anyway. Still, it would be nice to be able to prevent  
> such things from occurring as honest or confused mistakes.? Is that  
> possible?? OR would you recommend handling this a different way??  
> Thanks!
>
>
> Doug
>
> Douglas Mills
> Director of Instructional Technology
> Department of Chemistry
> University of Illinois


From raeburn at msu.edu  Wed Jun 27 11:09:07 2018
From: raeburn at msu.edu (Stuart Raeburn)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 11:09:07 -0400
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] teacher-assigned vs. student-selected slots:
 can they be mutually exclusive
In-Reply-To: <20180620150408.17142dfk93cpcj6w@mail.msu.edu>
References: <A51A0FCD-7AF1-4021-A201-6AE4EF29E5F8@illinois.edu>
 <20180620150408.17142dfk93cpcj6w@mail.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <20180627110907.56067gmcu7hm7t03@mail.msu.edu>

Doug,

A correction to my previous e-mail to this thread:

Even if a "Period of time when this slot can only be uniquely chosen"  
is set for a student-schedulable slot, a student will still be able to  
reserve that (new) slot, if they already have another slot reserved in  
two cases:

(a) the existing slot does *not* have "Period of time when this slot  
can only be uniquely chosen" set.

or

(b) a unique period is set but it either ends before the start time of  
the new slot, or starts after the end time of the (new) slot.

So, in order to prevent a student reserving a slot in addition to the  
teacher-assigned slot, you need to set an appropriate "Period of time  
when this slot can only be uniquely chosen" for the teacher-assigned  
slot.

Unfortunately, the originally implementation of slots (in 2005) did  
not anticipate this, so the slot helper used by a Course Coordinator  
to create or edit a slot does not allow an exclusion period to be  
assigned to an instructor-assigned slot.

As it turns out, you can use the "Upload Slot List" button to upload a  
csv file containing a slot definition for a slot with type:  
"preassigned", and also an exclusion range (e.g., "6/27/2018  
00:00,6/28/2018 06:00"), but if you subsequently edit the slot  
settings using the slot helper the exclusion range will not be  
preserved.

Anyway I have implemented the following changes:

(a) Slot helper allows exclusion date range to be set for preassigned  
slot type.
(b) A preassigned slot with an exclusion range will now prevent a  
student scheduling another slot.

Those changes will be in 2.12, but if you would like to patch your  
current 2.11.2 installation, see bug 5915 (  
bugs.loncapa.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5915#c1 ) for details.

Stuart Raeburn
LON-CAPA Academic Consortium


> Doug,
>
>>
>> ... There does not seem to be
>> any way to prevent a student in a teacher-assigned slot from also  
>> selecting a student-selected slot. Am I missing something?
>>
>
> For each of the student-schedulable slots, set the start and end  
> dates in the "Period of time when this slot can only be uniquely  
> chosen" settings to bracket both the time period when the  
> instructor-assigned slot is open, and also the time the  
> student-schedulable slot is open.
>
> In that case a student will thereafter not be able to make a  
> reservation for the student-schedulable slot for that resource (as  
> the instructor-assigned one will already be in place). If a student  
> tries to make a reservation a message: "Already have a reservation"  
> will be displayed.
>
> Note:
> If a student has already made a reservation for the  
> student-schedulable slot before the instructor-assigned slot is  
> assigned to the resource, the instructor must remove the reservation

> for Settings > Slots for the particular slot (click "Edit" for  
> particular slot, and use "Remove" in the "Scheduled Students"  
> column). Setting the "Slots of availability [Part: 0] (available)"  
> does not currently automatically remove any prior student-selected  
> slots for the same resource.
>
> If you prefer not to set "Period of time when this slot can only be  
> uniquely chosen" for the student-schedulable slot you could also use
> the "Restrict slot availability" settings for the slot to restrict  
> use to particular users.
>
> Currently, you can only indicate which users should be included, so  
> you must check checkboxes for all students who are permitted to use
a
> particular slot (there is no allow all except ...).
>
> As an alternative, you could create a group of users, and then not  
> assign membership for the users who should not be able to reserve.?  
> In the "Restrict slot availability" settings for the slot, the list  
> checkboxes below "Select sections to limit slot availability to"  
> includes both sections and groups. You would check the checkbox for  
> the group you created.
>
> Note: when you change group memberships for a user, if the user is  
> currently logged in, he/she must click "Check for changes" on the  
> Courses/Roles screen for the group change to be in effect in the  
> user's session.
>
>
> Stuart Raeburn
> LON-CAPA Academic Consortium
>
> Quoting "Mills, Douglas G" <dmills at illinois.edu>:
>
>> HI All,
>>
>> I understand the rationale for being able to limit students to  
>> selecting only one student-selectable slot within a given timeframe

>> as well as the fact that that is not needed in the case of  
>> teacher-assigned slots. However, we have a use case where most of
> the
>> students are using student-selected slots (and can only choose one
> of
>> a couple of options) but SOME students -- ones taking conflict
exams
>
>> or who require special accommodations are being assigned into
teacher-assigned slots for the same exam.? There does not seem to be
>
>> any way to prevent a student in a teacher-assigned slot from also
selecting a student-selected slot. Am I missing something?? I guess in
the case of a timed exam, IF a student who requires special
accommodations? or a conflict exam signed up for a regular slot and we
didn't catch it and then somehow got a sneak preview before their
>
>> special slot time, they would have run down their available time to
do the exam anyway. Still, it would be nice to be able to prevent such
things from occurring as honest or confused mistakes.? Is that
possible?? OR would you recommend handling this a different way??
Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> Douglas Mills
>> Director of Instructional Technology
>> Department of Chemistry
>> University of Illinois
>
> _______________________________________________
> LON-CAPA-users mailing list
> LON-CAPA-users at mail.lon-capa.org
>
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From dmills at illinois.edu  Wed Jun 27 11:11:44 2018
From: dmills at illinois.edu (Mills, Douglas G)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 15:11:44 +0000
Subject: [LON-CAPA-users] teacher-assigned vs. student-selected slots:
 can they be mutually exclusive
In-Reply-To: <20180627110907.56067gmcu7hm7t03@mail.msu.edu>
References: <A51A0FCD-7AF1-4021-A201-6AE4EF29E5F8@illinois.edu>
 <20180620150408.17142dfk93cpcj6w@mail.msu.edu>
 <20180627110907.56067gmcu7hm7t03@mail.msu.edu>
Message-ID: <4871FDEE-04BF-4429-B205-9972C88B284C@illinois.edu>

Thanks as always Stuart!

 
Doug

 

Douglas Mills

Director of Instructional Technology

Department of Chemistry

University of Illinois


 

?On 6/27/18, 10:09 AM, "LON-CAPA-users on behalf of Stuart Raeburn" <lon-capa-users-bounces at mail.lon-capa.org on behalf of raeburn at msu.edu> wrote:

    Doug,
    
    A correction to my previous e-mail to this thread:
    
    Even if a "Period of time when this slot can only be uniquely chosen"  
    is set for a student-schedulable slot, a student will still be able to  
    reserve that (new) slot, if they already have another slot reserved in  
    two cases:
    
    (a) the existing slot does *not* have "Period of time when this slot  
    can only be uniquely chosen" set.
    
    or
    
    (b) a unique period is set but it either ends before the start time of  
    the new slot, or starts after the end time of the (new) slot.
    
    So, in order to prevent a student reserving a slot in addition to the  
    teacher-assigned slot, you need to set an appropriate "Period of time  
    when this slot can only be uniquely chosen" for the teacher-assigned  
    slot.
    
    Unfortunately, the originally implementation of slots (in 2005) did  
    not anticipate this, so the slot helper used by a Course Coordinator  
    to create or edit a slot does not allow an exclusion period to be  
    assigned to an instructor-assigned slot.
    
    As it turns out, you can use the "Upload Slot List" button to upload a  
    csv file containing a slot definition for a slot with type:  
    "preassigned", and also an exclusion range (e.g., "6/27/2018  
    00:00,6/28/2018 06:00"), but if you subsequently edit the slot  
    settings using the slot helper the exclusion range will not be  
    preserved.
    
    Anyway I have implemented the following changes:
    
    (a) Slot helper allows exclusion date range to be set for preassigned  
    slot type.
    (b) A preassigned slot with an exclusion range will now prevent a  
    student scheduling another slot.
    
    Those changes will be in 2.12, but if you would like to patch your  
    current 2.11.2 installation, see bug 5915 (  
    bugs.loncapa.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5915#c1 ) for details.
    
    Stuart Raeburn
    LON-CAPA Academic Consortium
    
    
    > Doug,
    >
    >>
    >> ... There does not seem to be
    >> any way to prevent a student in a teacher-assigned slot from also  
    >> selecting a student-selected slot. Am I missing something?
    >>
    >
    > For each of the student-schedulable slots, set the start and end  
    > dates in the "Period of time when this slot can only be uniquely  
    > chosen" settings to bracket both the time period when the  
    > instructor-assigned slot is open, and also the time the  
    > student-schedulable slot is open.
    >
    > In that case a student will thereafter not be able to make a  
    > reservation for the student-schedulable slot for that resource (as  
    > the instructor-assigned one will already be in place). If a student  
    > tries to make a reservation a message: "Already have a reservation"  
    > will be displayed.
    >
    > Note:
    > If a student has already made a reservation for the  
    > student-schedulable slot before the instructor-assigned slot is  
    > assigned to the resource, the instructor must remove the reservation
    
    > for Settings > Slots for the particular slot (click "Edit" for  
    > particular slot, and use "Remove" in the "Scheduled Students"  
    > column). Setting the "Slots of availability [Part: 0] (available)"  
    > does not currently automatically remove any prior student-selected  
    > slots for the same resource.
    >
    > If you prefer not to set "Period of time when this slot can only be  
    > uniquely chosen" for the student-schedulable slot you could also use
    > the "Restrict slot availability" settings for the slot to restrict  
    > use to particular users.
    >
    > Currently, you can only indicate which users should be included, so  
    > you must check checkboxes for all students who are permitted to use
    a
    > particular slot (there is no allow all except ...).
    >
    > As an alternative, you could create a group of users, and then not  
    > assign membership for the users who should not be able to reserve.   
    > In the "Restrict slot availability" settings for the slot, the list  
    > checkboxes below "Select sections to limit slot availability to"  
    > includes both sections and groups. You would check the checkbox for  
    > the group you created.
    >
    > Note: when you change group memberships for a user, if the user is  
    > currently logged in, he/she must click "Check for changes" on the  
    > Courses/Roles screen for the group change to be in effect in the  
    > user's session.
    >
    >
    > Stuart Raeburn
    > LON-CAPA Academic Consortium
    >
    > Quoting "Mills, Douglas G" <dmills at illinois.edu>:
    >
    >> HI All,
    >>
    >> I understand the rationale for being able to limit students to  
    >> selecting only one student-selectable slot within a given timeframe
    
    >> as well as the fact that that is not needed in the case of  
    >> teacher-assigned slots. However, we have a use case where most of
    > the
    >> students are using student-selected slots (and can only choose one
    > of
    >> a couple of options) but SOME students -- ones taking conflict
    exams
    >
    >> or who require special accommodations are being assigned into
    teacher-assigned slots for the same exam.  There does not seem to be
    >
    >> any way to prevent a student in a teacher-assigned slot from also
    selecting a student-selected slot. Am I missing something?  I guess in
    the case of a timed exam, IF a student who requires special
    accommodations  or a conflict exam signed up for a regular slot and we
    didn't catch it and then somehow got a sneak preview before their
    >
    >> special slot time, they would have run down their available time to
    do the exam anyway. Still, it would be nice to be able to prevent such
    things from occurring as honest or confused mistakes.  Is that
    possible?  OR would you recommend handling this a different way? 
    Thanks!
    >>
    >>
    >> Doug
    >>
    >> Douglas Mills
    >> Director of Instructional Technology
    >> Department of Chemistry
    >> University of Illinois
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