[LON-CAPA-users] A course with no Content Close Date for a Sample Test?

[Amos Lee]

Hi All,

 >> 3. After the 70 minutes have expired, the student still would not be
 >> able to see the test score UNLESS I intervene by initiating an action
 >> such as "View calculated grades (Spreadsheet)" or "View the course
 >> assessment progress chart".  After that, the test score would be
 >> available to the student.  As well, the student will be able to see
 >> which questions were answered wrong under Course Contents.
 >>
 >
 > The action that will cause the test score to be visible, is either:
 > (a) setting an answer date, and the student views grades after the
 > answer date, or (b) setting "Show Problem Status" to yes, or deleting
 > the current setting of "No, show no feedback at all"  (will revert to
 > default -- which is to show problem status).
 >
 > Viewing the course assessment progress chart, as Course Coordinator
 > has no effect on the visibility of points earned on items in a folder
 > for which "Show Problem Status" is set to no.
 >
 >
Sorry, I did not record/report accurately last time.  Yes, after the test 
student (that's me) took the sample test, I modified the answer date to be 
the same as the Problem Opening Date, and the test scores were then visible 
to the test student.  I thought that would imply the need of my 
intervention before the scores were visible. But it turns out NOT to be the 
case.

    In fact, I just re-tested the whole thing (with Time Limit shortened to 
5-minute).  This is what I found out (the main difference this time being 
the Problem Answer Date set equal to the Problem Opening Date right at the 
beginning before the student took the sample test):

(a) Problem Opening Date: set appropriately
(b) Problem Due Date: not set
(c) Problem Answer Date: now set to be the same as Problem Opening Date
(d) Content Opening Date: set appropriately
(e) Time-Limit: set to 5 mins  (so I can test everything faster)
(f) Show Problem Status: set to "No, show no feedback at all"
(g) Max number of tries: set to 999
(h) Content Close Date: not set


My Findings (round two):

1. Before the Time Limit has expired, the student would not be able to
see the test score (Main Menu > Grading and Statistics > View current 
problem status and grading information).  (Same finding as before, and this 
is exactly how we wanted for our sample test to behave.)

2. During the test, immediately after each submission of a question, the 
following system response is seen: "Your final submission will be graded 
after the due date."  (Same finding as before which Stuart has already 
commented on.)

3. After the Time Limit has expired, the student *IS* able to see the test 
score right away as well as which questions were answered wrong under 
Course Contents, all without any further intervention on my part.  (So this 
is perfect. Exactly how we wanted it to behave.)

    I will test this more to make sure everything is exactly how we wanted 
it to be.  I still need to test whether this works well with a student 
self-registering into the sample course.  To paraphrase Gerd, this is 
looking like to be my lucky summer.  I think our sample test would be able 
to achieve most, if not all, of our desired features by version 2.11, :D


Many Thanks,

Amos Lee
Math & Stats
Univ of Sask




On 12/06/2012 1:36 PM, Stuart Raeburn wrote:
> Hi Amos,
>
>> 1. Before the 70 minutes have elapsed, the student would not be able to
>> see the test score even when the student is finished with the test
>> (Main Menu > Grading and Statistics > View current problem status and
>> grading information).  (This is as expected, and is OK.)
>
> As you plan to set "Show Problem Status" to "No, show no feedback at
> all", then a student will not be able to view his/her test score until
> the "Answer Date" set, has been reached.
>
>> 2. During the 70-min test, immediately after each submission of a
>> question, the following system response is seen: "Your final submission
>> will be graded after the due date."  (That may be a bit confusing for
>> us since there is no explicit "due date" in this scenario.)
>
> Agreed.  I will modify LON-CAPA to show: ""Answer Submitted: Your
> final submission will be graded when the time limit is reached", in
> the case where Show Problem Status is set to inhibit feedback, but
> where the item has a time limit.  That change will be in LON-CAPA 2.11
>
>> 3. After the 70 minutes have expired, the student still would not be
>> able to see the test score UNLESS I intervene by initiating an action
>> such as "View calculated grades (Spreadsheet)" or "View the course
>> assessment progress chart".  After that, the test score would be
>> available to the student.  As well, the student will be able to see
>> which questions were answered wrong under Course Contents.
>>
>
> The action that will cause the test score to be visible, is either:
> (a) setting an answer date, and the student views grades after the
> answer date, or (b) setting "Show Problem Status" to yes, or deleting
> the current setting of "No, show no feedback at all"  (will revert to
> default -- which is to show problem status).
>
> Viewing the course assessment progress chart, as Course Coordinator
> has no effect on the visibility of points earned on items in a folder
> for which "Show Problem Status" is set to no.
>
>
>> As well, the student will be able to see
>> which questions were answered wrong under Course Contents.
>>
>
> This occurs when "Show Problem Status" is yes, or nothing (i.e.,
> default behavior -- equivalent to "yes").
>
>>    I'm just wondering whether there is a way for the person who took
>> the (sample) test to see the test score after the test has timed out
>> without the need for me to intervene.  Ideally we would like our Sample
>> Test to run on "auto-pilot" so-to-speak in the sense that it would not
>> require my attention every time someone takes a sample test.
>
> What is needed here is a trigger, such that once the time limit is
> reached for a particular student, the "Show Problem Status" parameter
> for that student is set to "Yes" for the sample test folder.  LON-CAPA
> does not have a mechanism currently for triggers of this sort.
>
> However, one way to achieve this would be to modify the current time
> limit parameter to support two intervals -- the first interval would
> be the time limit until the effective due date is reached (current
> behavior), whereas the second could be a time limit after the due date
> until the answer date is reached.  I will file an enhancement request
> for this feature in bugs.loncapa.org
>
> Stuart Raeburn
> MSU LON-CAPA group
>
 >
 >
> Quoting Amos Lee <lee at math.usask.ca>:
>
>> Hi Stuart,
>>
>> I did some testing on the desired features of our Sample Test
>> yesterday, and this is what I found out on a test course that I
>> created.  The following parameters were in effect:
>>
>> (a) Problem Opening Date: set appropriately
>> (b) Problem Due Date: not set
>> (c) Problem Answer Date: not set
>> (d) Content Opening Date: set appropriately
>> (e) Time-Limit: set to 70 mins
>> (f) Show Problem Status: set to "No, show no feedback at all"
>> (g) Max number of tries: set to 999
>> (h) Content Close Date: not set
>>
>> Here are some of my findings:
>>
>> 1. Before the 70 minutes have elapsed, the student would not be able to
>> see the test score even when the student is finished with the test
>> (Main Menu > Grading and Statistics > View current problem status and
>> grading information).  (This is as expected, and is OK.)
>>
>> 2. During the 70-min test, immediately after each submission of a
>> question, the following system response is seen: "Your final submission
>> will be graded after the due date."  (That may be a bit confusing for
>> us since there is no explicit "due date" in this scenario.)
>>
>> 3. After the 70 minutes have expired, the student still would not be
>> able to see the test score UNLESS I intervene by initiating an action
>> such as "View calculated grades (Spreadsheet)" or "View the course
>> assessment progress chart".  After that, the test score would be
>> available to the student.  As well, the student will be able to see
>> which questions were answered wrong under Course Contents.
>>
>>    I'm just wondering whether there is a way for the person who took
>> the (sample) test to see the test score after the test has timed out
>> without the need for me to intervene.  Ideally we would like our Sample
>> Test to run on "auto-pilot" so-to-speak in the sense that it would not
>> require my attention every time someone takes a sample test.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Amos Lee
>> Math & Stats
>> Univ of Sask
>>