[LON-CAPA-users] Open date versus Contentopen?

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Tue, 3 Jun 2008 13:18:10 -0400

<div>Yeah, I was going to hide the whole tree.<br><br>Thanks,<br>brew<br></=
div><font color=3D"#990099">-----lon-capa-users-admin@mail.lon-capa.org wro=
te: -----<br><br></font><blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, =
0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-righ=
t: 0px;">To: lon-capa-users@mail.lon-capa.org<br>From: Todd Ruskell &lt;tru=
skell@mines.edu&gt;<br>Sent by: lon-capa-users-admin@mail.lon-capa.org<br>D=
ate: 06/03/2008 12:09PM<br>Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users] Open date versus C=
ontentopen?<br><br><font face=3D"Courier New,Courier,monospace" size=3D"3">=
Yeah, for that many pages you're probably best off setting the "default<br>=
for course" parameters, which do propagate through the tree. &nbsp;Your oth=
er<br>option would be to "hide" resources and reveal them as the course goe=
s<br>on. &nbsp;Not automatic, but beats spending 6 hours setting parameters=
.<br>Hiding a folder also propagates down through the rest of the tree, so<=
br>that is pretty efficient. &nbsp;Maybe some combination of the two would =
work?<br><br>Todd<br><br>Robert=5FBrewington@er.monroe.edu wrote:<br>&gt; I=
 tried what you say - sure enough, if I look at the PPRM for the<br>&gt; pr=
oblem within the page ("icons "scattered" throughout), I get the<br>&gt; de=
sired Open date and it seems to work. How bizarre that parameters do<br>&gt=
; not propagate through the tree.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Since they don't propaga=
te, wow! an awful lot of work to set open dates<br>&gt; on a couple of hund=
red problems. I timed setting a few; in the end, I<br>&gt; don't think I ha=
ve the 6 hours it looks like it will take to set them all.<br>&gt; <br>&gt;=
 brew<br>&gt; -----lon-capa-users-admin@mail.lon-capa.org wrote: -----<br>&=
gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; To: lon-capa-users@mail.lon-capa.org<br>&gt; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; From: Todd Ruskell &lt;truskell@mines.edu&gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; Sent by: lon-capa-users-admin@mail.lon-capa.org<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; D=
ate: 06/02/2008 11:24PM<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users]=
 Open date versus Contentopen?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brew,<br>&gt;=
 <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Using pages does have some interesting effects. &nb=
sp;I think they're<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; starting to get used more often no=
w, but for a while it seemed many<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; things were not wel=
l optimized for pages, but I believe many of them<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; hav=
e gotten ironed out.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; But directly to your is=
sue: &nbsp;I ran into this a lot last summer when<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; try=
ing to work with "Pages". &nbsp;I think everything below is still the<br>&g=
t; &nbsp; &nbsp; case, but I'm sure someone like Gerd or Stuart will correc=
t me if I'm<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; wrong. &nbsp;From a LON-CAPA system stand=
point, a "Page" is not any different<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; than a "folder" =
or a "sequence" except that everything appears on one<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 concatenated html page. &nbsp;Also, for better or for worse, LON-CAPA has<=
br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; very limited cascading of parameters down through sub=
-folders. &nbsp;What<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; does this mean? &nbsp;Assume the=
 following course structure:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Folder 1<br>&gt=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Page 1.1<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Problem 1=
.1.1<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Problem 1.1.2<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp;Page 1.2<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Problem 1.2.1<br>&gt; &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Problem 1.2.2<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Problem =
1.1<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Problem 1.2<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
If you set parameters like open/close/due dates on the enclosing folder<br>=
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; of "Folder 1", say by viewing the parameters of "Problem=
 1.1" or with<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; the "Overview" mode, the only resources=
 affected will be "Problem 1.1"<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; and "Problem 1.2". &n=
bsp;The parameters will *not* cascade further down<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; th=
e tree.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; If you view, for example "Problem 1.=
1.1", and use PPRM to set<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; open/close/due dates for th=
e enclosing folder, the enclosing folder is<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; actually =
"Page 1.1", *not* "Folder 1". &nbsp;I for one would very much like<br>&gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; to see the automatic cascading of parameters down through all=
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; sub-folders/pages, but this is apparently a bit chal=
lenging. &nbsp;First, it<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; could make for an even uglie=
r PPRM page, but I suspect it has something<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; to do wit=
h not knowing for sure just how many levels may be present in<br>&gt; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; any part of the tree. &nbsp;At any rate, it just doesn't happen. &=
nbsp;You should,<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; however, be able to use the overview=
 mode to set the parameters for each<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; "Page" in a slig=
htly more efficient manner.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;editorial co=
mment&gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; The current behavior of parameter cascading=
 has the undesired side<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; effect of making Pages a much=
 less useful tool. &nbsp;Although arguably quite<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; nice=
 from a presentation standpoint, the management standpoint leaves a<br>&gt;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; lot to be desired. &nbsp;As a result, we ended up not using =
pages nearly as<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; much as I'd like, but instead resorte=
d to multi-part problems.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;/editorial comment&gt;<=
br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; One last item. &nbsp;When looking at a "Page=
" you've got to be very careful<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; which resource you ar=
e setting the parameters of. &nbsp;It sounds like you're<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; using the remote control. &nbsp;In this case, when you view a "Page", t=
he<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; PPRM button brings up the parameters for the "Page=
" as a whole, not a<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; particular resource within the "P=
age". &nbsp;That is why you get "Content<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Opening Date=
" rather than "Problem Opening Date". &nbsp;If you do not use the<br>&gt; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; Remote Control, you get the same effect by clicking on the "Se=
t<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Parameters" icon at the very top of the page. &nbsp=
;If you want to look at<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; the parameters for a particul=
ar resource within the page, you need to<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; use the "Set=
 Parameter" links that appear scattered throughout the<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; "Page". &nbsp;They're actually not scattered, but appear at the top of ea=
ch<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; resource. &nbsp;If you use the embedded link, you =
can get the parameters for<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; one of your embedded probl=
ems, including Open/Due Dates.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hope that hel=
ps,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Todd<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Robe=
rt=5FBrewington@er.monroe.edu wrote:<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Yes, I do h=
ave a couple of "dummy" students so I can make sure<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; w=
hat they<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; see.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; I have set both the Open Date and Content Open date for=
 the<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; future: June<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; 6, 2008 =
- today is Jun 2. Due date is set for Jun 18 or so. When I log<br>&gt; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &gt; in as the student, it shows the problems as open, the studen=
t can look<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; at the problem and answer it. The due=
 date looks correct.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
Interesting idea, that contentopen applies to non-problem things (like<br>&=
gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; pdf files). However, I see this parameter on my prob=
lem, not a<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; different<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; file =
type. So, I still don't know what ContentOpen means.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Maybe my use of pages (rather than sequence=
s) does something odd?<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; I have<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
gt; a folder containing a bunch of "pages" rather than sequences (the icon<=
br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; is a puzzle piece). Each page contains two probl=
ems (question mark<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; icons). I view the problem, a=
nd select PPRM (set parameters for this<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; resource=
) which shows the colored grid of parameters and their<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; settings.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Folder: &nbsp;Final Review<br>&gt; &=
nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp;Page: Final Page 1<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Problem: &nbsp;FinalProblem<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &g=
t; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Problem: &nbsp;DummyProblem<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; Page: Final Page 2<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Problem: &nbsp;FinalProblem &nbsp; &nbsp;&lt;=
--- Setting PPRM at this point<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; Problem: &nbsp;DummyProblem<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &=
nbsp; &gt; Using Parameter Helper Mode, I set Due date to 6/18 and Open dat=
e<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; to 6/6<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; at the Final Revi=
ew folder level. I set some earlier page<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; individual D=
ue<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Dates using Parameter Overview mode (on Final=
 Page 2, for example).<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Lastly, as part of playin=
g around I set Content Due Date at the Final<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Rev=
iew folder level using the PPRM screen.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Looking at the PPRM screen for a FinalProblem, I see Con=
tent Open date<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; and Content Due date. The Content=
 Due Date Current Session Value is<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; blank; it doe=
s not show the effect of the Due date which I set at the<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &gt; Final Review folder level, and the Content Open date shows the val=
ue I<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; set at the Enclosing Map Folder level ("Fin=
al Review").<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; In the P=
PRM screen there is no other indication of Open Date or Due<br>&gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; Date. So, it appears that I can only set Open/Due dates from th=
e<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Menu/Parameter Settings tools, not from PPRM. =
On the other hand, the<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Open date does not seem t=
o be taking effect for some reason.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &gt; And as I indicated, the student sees no indication of an ope=
n<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; date, and<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; can open and a=
nswer the problem today. I guess I don't really care<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
about<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; the ContentOpen and Due date (other than w=
ondering what the heck they<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; are); what I really =
need is to know why the Open date isn't having an<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt=
; effect.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; Thanks,<br>=
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; brew<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; lon-capa-users-admi=
n@mail.lon-capa.org wrote: -----<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; To: lon-capa-users@mail.lon-capa.org<br>&gt; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; From: "Justin Gray" &lt;jgray@math.sfu.ca&gt;<=
br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Sent by: lon-capa-users-admin@mail=
.lon-capa.org<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Date: 06/02/2008 03:=
46PM<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Subject: Re: [LON-CAPA-users]=
 Open date versus Contentopen?<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &n=
bsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Hi Brew,<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; I believe you can set the individual due dates fr=
om a single<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; screen<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; at Parameter Manager -&gt; Overview Mode<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; (Select Parameter Level at Resource Level and select the encl=
osing<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; folder that you want. Then s=
elect only Problem Due Date from the<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; table of parameters.)<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &=
gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; If students can see the due dates, I believe the problems=
<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; should be<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; o=
pen. If your folder contains only problems, what you want to<br>&gt; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; set is<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Problem Opening Dat=
e. Content Opening Date does not seem to<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; apply to<br>=
&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; problems.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<=
br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; It is a good idea to assign yourse=
lf a dummy student role in your<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; co=
urse, so that you can see what your students see. It is<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; better to<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; do this using a diffe=
rent account since you will sometimes have<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; additional privileges that other students do not when you are<br>&=
gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; logged<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; in as you=
rself. You can do this as follows:<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1) Go to Manage Course Users -&gt; Enroll a sin=
gle student<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2) Add a dummy usernam=
e<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3) Select Internally authenticat=
ed and add a dummy password<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Note that any parameters set at the section level will=
 not<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; apply to<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; this dummy student if no section is assigned.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<=
br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; Justin<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<=
br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 11:21 AM, &=
lt;Robert=5FBrewington@er.monroe.edu<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Robert=5FBrewington@er.monroe.edu">mailto:Robert=
=5FBrewington@er.monroe.edu</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<b=
r>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I am trying to set so=
me dates on a series of problems, and<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; have<br>&gt; &n=
bsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; a couple of questions.<br>&gt;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
1) I have 50 questions in a folder. I set the due date for the<br>&gt; &nbs=
p; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; entire folder to Jun13. Now, I w=
ant to set the due dates for<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; problems 1-5 to be Jun10, 6-12 to Jun11, 13-25 to Jun 12.<br>&gt; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I=
s there a way to set these through a single screen? I am<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; setting each problem individually, whi=
ch is a lot of slow<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
screens. Just a convenience issue...<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2) I am not seeing the Opendate=
. I set the Open date for a<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;=
 &nbsp; folder, then a bunch of due dates for the problems. The<br>&gt; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; student<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; s=
ees the due dates, but the Open date doesn't seem to<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
apply (for<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; my Chemis=
try course). What else do I set to make the open<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; date=
 work?<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; I also tried setting something called contentopen from the<br=
>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; pprm<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &n=
bsp; screen, for the enclosing folder. What is this supposed to be?<br>&gt;=
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; It also does not seem to af=
fect the student's view of the<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nb=
sp; &nbsp; problem opening.<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I note that the opendate does not appear=
 in the PPRM parameter<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbs=
p; screen? I guess I'm just note sure what I am seeing...<br>&gt; &nbsp; &n=
bsp; &gt;<br>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks,<br=
>&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; brew<br>&gt; &nbsp; &n=
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